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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:51 pm 
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I've been running knoppmyth for over a year now and me and my family are really happy with it.
All the time we've had a nice box but a really ugly wired keaboard and mouse, both PS/2. The other day I found a really nice and slim wireless + keyboard box from FujitsuSiemens. It connects to the PC via a single USB connector.
Just unplugging the old KB/M and plugging in the USB combo makes the machine halt during boot. It seems to recognize the HW but the boot process fails. I'm running R4V3 on this box. I think that it has nothing to do with GDM and the X setup, it fails earlier than that.

I have been experimenting with R5A12 on another disk, doing a fresh install with the USB KB/M. Then it all seems to work OK. The PC boots OK and the keyboard works fine, I have has som problem with the mouse but I think this has to do with the GDM config.

This is probably really simple when you know how to fix it, but then again, it allways is...

Thanks in advance
håkan


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:14 pm 
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This is a well known issue with the kernel used in R4 and a trivial search would have found lots of info on it. (Hint - Search for "usb keyboard" or "usb mouse")

I believe that it's fixed in R5A12, but since I don't have a USB keyboard or mouse that's not based on personal experience.


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Thanks for your reply. Maybe it's a "well known issue" to you, searching the forum with such a general criteria as "usb mouse" will give you threads with all sorts of problems. Unless you have something very specific like "PVR250 XF86Config-4 PAL" it's now days more or less hopeless searching the forum. I guess it's because of the size of the forum in combination with the fact that people sometimes supply very specific specs of their boxes (adding lots of extra keywords to the database).
Unless you follow the forum on a daily basis it's quite difficult to find information like the one below.

håkan


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:11 am 
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Searching is more of an art form that just typing in "usb mouse". If you want to use the search effectively (ANY search) you have to try variations to see which works best. In your case, I would have used "usb hang" or some variation to find the issue. Also be sure to choose ALL words and not ANY words -- you want to eliminate posts which don't have all of the words you specify.

Seaching this way, I found the "blinky keyboard lights" post in about ten seconds. It has a long discussion of the problem. I also found a post that relates to the Versapoint RF keyboard/mouse, and it suggested setting Emulate3Buttons to "false" explicitly in your XF86Config-4 file. You might try that.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:00 am 
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Also, it's been suggested that using google.com's site: option for searching this site can be helpful if you're good with google searching and not so happy with the search options here.

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Searching effectively isn't really all that hard, but I'm always surprised by the number of people who have trouble with it. Especially the number where I can pick the search keywords right out of their postings and find exactly what they're looking for on the first go. It's really just basic card catalog / research topic / reference search technique.

- Think of several different sets of search terms, synonyms, alternate key words, ... This is easier than it sounds, given the experience that so many "my search didn't turn up anything posts" contain the needed keywords.

- Pick one and try it

- If you get somewhere between say 5 and 15 references, dive in, if not try rephrasing.

- For each group of hits start with the most promising looking (generally by title, possibly by abstract or summary)

- Scan each thread If a thread/reference looks promising, open a tab for it, but keep scanning, the trick is to do a breadth first scan to weed out the obviously non-useful references.

- If you run out of ideas, go back to your previous, search and start with the ones with "too small" result sets, also this time go deeper.


The whole point is to quickly narrow your search to something managable by excluding obviously irrelevant stuff, while looking at enough things to be fairly sure of not missing critical data. It's kind of like the standardized multiple choice test technique of eliminating the obvious wrong answers.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:39 pm 
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Is it possible for the forum administrators to make "Search for all terms" the default option on the search page?

I know that has tripped me up a couple of times when I forgot to change that option. The problem is that it doesn't work the same way as google, and most other search engines.
It would be pretty rare for me to ever want to use "Search for any terms".

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The "administrators" could probably do that, but he's busy right now working on a new release of KnoppMyth, so I don't think we want to disturb him right now...

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turpie wrote:
Is it possible for the forum administrators to make "Search for all terms" the default option on the search page?

I know that has tripped me up a couple of times when I forgot to change that option. The problem is that it doesn't work the same way as google, and most other search engines.
It would be pretty rare for me to ever want to use "Search for any terms".
No, phpBB doesn't have that option. Of course it doesn't work like Google or other search engines, it is a bulletin board not a search engine.


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