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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:53 am 
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tscholl wrote:
I have had a similar problem. My Local Lineup has vanished and the zap2it website gives me an error when I try to recreate it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:15 am 
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tscholl wrote:
I have had a similar problem. My Local Lineup has vanished and the zap2it website gives me an error when I try to recreate it.

Tim


There is a way around that.
Add a digital cable lineup or Fios lineup for your area since they usually carry all of the local channels and their subchannels. Worked for me. Good luck. :D

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I checked the digital cable line up and they only carry 3 of the 8 needed, but should be better than nothing.

The question I have is how do I get the new channel numbers to relate to the old ones?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:40 am 
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Did you try a different city/provider in your area that might carry all of them?

What I have found is the channel number on your mythtv system has to match the channel number of the cable provider you selected. So, all of the channel numbers you will see in the guide and osd are screwed up, but I don't display the channel numbers in the guide anyway, so no big deal there for me.

Perhaps the easiest/least confusing way to go about this is to erase your ATSC channels. Setup your source for the cable provider. Scan for channels. Go into the channel editor and change the channel number of your scanned channels to the number that the cable provider has them as. Run mythfilldatabase. Good to go.

That is all from memory, but should do the trick.

Also, have you tried making a lineup for EIT only to see what your local channels are sending out in the data stream? Interestingly enough, I know that most (if not all) of the broadcasters in this area DO send the epg data, but MythTV does not pick it up. I can pull in the data with various apps in Windows, so I know it is there. Only three of the channels out of 12 in this area actually display the EIT data inside of MythTV. Granted, you only get about one day at a time, but beats having nothing.


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Das Hammer, Thanks for all of the suggestions.

I think I'll try to setup and EIT Scan as a new source. Then add the channels I want in the channel editor. Is there anything else I need to consider?

Thanks.

Tim


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My brother and nephew are having the same problem. They both use local broadcast. I read in another thread that they (zap2it) expected to have the problem fixed 1-2 days ago, but so far no luck.

The problem only effects local broadcast. Is there a way I can select a cable lineup, and then somehow edit the channel numbers so that everything works properly? ie: If ABC broadcasts OTA on channel 45 but is on cable channel 23, can I subscribe to the cable lineup, but somehow edit things in the database so that myth knows to tune ABC on channel 23?

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Looks like OTA subscriptions are fixed again. You'll need to re-add yours, but it worked for me.

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Human wrote:
Looks like OTA subscriptions are fixed again. You'll need to re-add yours, but it worked for me.


Figures, I just got my OTA lineup setup to use the Digital Cable listings. :?

Good news is its pretty easy to do.

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mihanson wrote:
Although there is no solid information on the migration away from Zap2It there seems to be some action behind the scenes. The MythTV Wiki page has a little info and a link to the newly formed EasyTVData.org website. They're looking for legal council and an accountant as well.


Well, they've changed to http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ as their website now.

It's already the end of July and that website is really not giving out any info. Normally that's the case when something is going commercial, but I don't know.

Kind of late in the game with not very much info, unless updates have been posted elsewhere that I have not run across yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:00 pm 
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OCR the sat/cable box's guide

Having been a programmer for 25+ years, I can easily imagine
using lirc to bring up the sat/cable boxes menu and OCRing
that. You could even do a "details" for each show to get
details.

My sat box has data for several days in advance. Set it
up to run this box OCRing every night during unused hours
and link it in to the scheduler so as to not conflict with
other recordings.

Combine that with OTA "guide+" listings from your local OTA
provider and you have all the data you need.

Am I overlooking something here? The framework for this
seems fairly simple and would work for everyone, everywhere
without requiring constant payments and maintenance
changes. Sure it would have to be manually "trained" during setup, but that would really be small compared to just getting lirc running for a home built system.

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Well, not everyone uses STBs. I certainly don't (HD via clear QAM for me) and anyone getting ATSC/NTSC without a box would be out of luck as well.

So, you'd have to have someone running Myth in every TV market willing to run this 'OCR' solution and also be willing to upload it to some website for everyone else in that market to get. Not really feasible.


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I'm not sure it isn't feasible -- one can image people in various areas organizing to take care of their area. One would need to look carefully at the agreements one has with their service provider -- I have a suspicion that publishing the information like this would violate something...

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So, one month to go and no updates? Will Sep 1st, 2007 be the day that MythTV died in North America? :(

Is there really no pay option for guide data? With thousands of people willing to pay Zap2It for guide data, how can they not jump on that?

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kmkittre wrote:
With thousands of people willing to pay Zap2It for guide data, how can they not jump on that?

Can you cite a source for that estimate? I think the issue is how many of the thousands of North American MythTV users are interested in paying $5/month vs how many will wait for a free alternative. It takes thousands of dollars a month just to license the current data, and if subscription rates are low, a business may never recover their investment.

Plus, TMS doesn't seem to be interested in wrapping a simple payment mechanism around their current zap2it data, so they probably don't think the MythTV market size is worth their effort.

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Can you cite a source for that estimate?


http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296

On this small survey on the Zap2it forums 1512 people have said they would pay for guide data.

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